22lr. why so scarce?

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22lr. why so scarce?

Why are 22 shells so hard to find. 

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 Well it is just my theory that the supply is there but the idiots of the country continue to over pay for it so there is not a need to release the actual amount that these business's have. Cabela's, Scheels and any other vendor online or local probably want to make this as big of money maker as they can...  Also all the idiots that do buy it all up as soon as it does become available is not helping either.

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 It's become a self-feeding firestorm.  

In Dec of '12 folks saw the ammo scarcity of '08 beginning to repeat itself and said, "Not me, not this time!"  The ammo and reloading component shelves emptied in record time.  Then the distributers emptied out in record time, then the manufacturers emptied out in record time.  Now the shelves are empty everywhere and the demand is still sky-high.  There are folks lined up at every retailer when 22lr ammo does show up.  Many of them are buying what they'll shoot up relatively quickly, but, make no mistake, there are a few of them buying in the morning and selling on craigslist or similar by that same evening for 2x-4x what they paid.

Just today, a pard got an alert e-mail from Midway @ 2:30pm, by 3:15pm when he had time to go order, they were sold-out.

No regular brick-and-mortar businesses are sitting on mounds of 22lr ammo.  Not Scheels, Cabelas, Fleet Farm, Wal-Mart, Gander, Bass Pro, or any other big retailer you can think of.  None of them would be able to hold it this long in secret.  Someone would talk, steal, or sell it to a buddy.

While I haven't been to Canada to see this for myself, I'm told one can buy pretty much any 22LR ammo they want in quantity.  IMO, the "speculators" are the biggest problem with US 22lr availability, shooters preying on our own so to speak.

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 Thinking of growing sunflowers again but use 22's to scare blackbirds used to go thru 3000 rounds a year. 

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I received emails from Midway myself last night.  One at 2:59 am and one for another at 3:49 am.  At 6:30 am I checked both and both were sold out.  I still have a couple bricks so no big deal for me but it is still crazy out there for .22 lr.

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 Another story of GREED,in my area there are a few guys running to every store avlb.buying as much as they can and just hoarding it..rumor has it that 1 person has over 20,000 rounds,and dosn't even own a 22 calb.

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 Ummm I received the same midway alert around 2:30. I was into the link within seconds. GONE already.........glitch? OR it counts when people put it in their cart

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I'm not sure why the ammo is in such short supply and have a hard time believing most stories I hear.  We went to Ontario deer hunting this fall, in the process of getting from A to B we stopped at a few places, in 2provinces, and the ammo shells were full.  We also stopped at a few at our location they were full also!  So if there is no shortage there and they carry the same name brand ammo, why is the shortage here? 

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 availability and pricing really sux right now... if you wanna buy low you gotta read the news and be proactive... if it looks like a liberal is gonna win... you buy guns and ammo... if you think a conservative is gonna win... you buy booze and porn...

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I'm not sure why the ammo is in such short supply and have a hard time believing most stories I hear.  We went to Ontario deer hunting this fall, in the process of getting from A to B we stopped at a few places, in 2provinces, and the ammo shells were full.  We also stopped at a few at our location they were full also!  So if there is no shortage there and they carry the same name brand ammo, why is the shortage here? 

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 Another story of GREED,in my area there are a few guys running to every store avlb.buying as much as they can and just hoarding it..rumor has it that 1 person has over 20,000 rounds,and dosn't even own a 22 calb.

The end.

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I am starting to believe this theory over most others I have been hearing. 

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 I will try this again last post failed. 
Customers that would normally buy 100 to 200 rounds per year from our store are now buying five to ten times that amount "just in case ". We have a limited supply so we have resorted to putting the regular customers on a revolving waiting list and limiting sales to them. We also limit the amount on the shelf at one time to prevent the walk in hoarder. It seems to help keep everyone happy. Incidentally we have not increased our profit margin from what it was before the shortage. One advantage of small towns

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At some point, arent the hoarders caught up with what they need?

 

ONLY .19 cents per round!

(I saw this in a Sportsman's Guide magazine recently referring to .22 LR)

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At some point, arent the hoarders caught up with what they need?

The hoarders aren't the problem.  The speculative profiteers are.  Same guys who were selling AR's and magazines for @ 3x what they're worth right after Sandy Hook.

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The shortage is 100% created by the guys that think they will never see .22 again.

I work in the industry. Its almost sickening as to how people justify buying it. 13 months ago nobody "needed" any .22 ammo. Heck most of the stuff that was out of the ordinary or "high end" 22 ammo was on sale. Couldn't get rid of it.

Today, everyone......EVERYONE that has ever owned a gun "NEEDS" 22 ammo. I've watched grown men lose it over why a place doesn't have 22. Its pretty sickening to watch. A guy will pick up a brick of 22 ammo, complain he can't find it anywhere and the government conspiracy and how homeland security...blah blah blah....then at the end of it tell you A) he doesn't shoot all that much....or B) he's got 8000 rounds at home.

If everyone in this country STOPPED buying every single shell they see for ONE week, there would be loads of 22 on shelves all over.

It'll come back. People will get sick of hoarding it at some point.

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 We're running into the same problem with ammo for our small bore league. Have had ammo on back order since last fall and our supplier has no idea when they will get any more in. Could be an interesting year.

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 We're running into the same problem with ammo for our small bore league. Have had ammo on back order since last fall and our supplier has no idea when they will get any more in. Could be an interesting year.

 
      It's getting to the point where you have to dry fire for practice and shoot live rounds for score.      The good thing is the more you pay for your shells the more you want to get out of them.       

 

 

 

 

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You would think they could crank out more ammo than this country could possibly want.
The manufacturers say they are going around the clock and making more than before. If that's the case, how come everyone says there is almost no ammo or there is none at all? If they make that much we should see it somewhere and more than a box or two. The wholesalers have had no rimfire ammo on their websites for a year now. Look how many packs of cigarettes are sold each day and there are plenty of them. I don't think they are producing as much ammo as they say.

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Wile.E.Coyote Said:
The shortage is 100% created by the guys that think they will never see .22 again.

I work in the industry. Its almost sickening as to how people justify buying it. 13 months ago nobody "needed" any .22 ammo. Heck most of the stuff that was out of the ordinary or "high end" 22 ammo was on sale. Couldn't get rid of it.

Today, everyone......EVERYONE that has ever owned a gun "NEEDS" 22 ammo. I've watched grown men lose it over why a place doesn't have 22. Its pretty sickening to watch. A guy will pick up a brick of 22 ammo, complain he can't find it anywhere and the government conspiracy and how homeland security...blah blah blah....then at the end of it tell you A) he doesn't shoot all that much....or B) he's got 8000 rounds at home.

If everyone in this country STOPPED buying every single shell they see for ONE week, there would be loads of 22 on shelves all over.

It'll come back. People will get sick of hoarding it at some point.

But I couldn't hoard it if I wanted to. Some places have a box or two limit and not each caliber but all together.

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 Isell,   What about target ammo ?  I only found one site with Eley tenex but the price of that wasn't all that much higher than it was 20 years ago.  

 

 

 

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Morons. Simple answer.  I used to work with one.  Since Obama became president he turned into a nut case.  The government is going to take all our guns and ammo.  He has been piling it up ever since.  Right after the Sandy Hook tragedy he purchased 4 AR's and tons of extras because the government was going to take them.  I know he is sitting on over 20k rounds of .22LR as well, and that was nearly a year ago. 

It's simply fear fueled by the ever increasing numbers of morons paranoid of us not being able to own a slingshot.....

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I just go to runnings and buy some when needed they have them

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 i must be lucky with finding .22 ammo. the few times ive went to a sporting good store this month ive seen it. Bought a 330 round pack yesterday.

Wish i could be as lucky with powder 

 

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Everyone just needs to calm down.  If all the shooters out there stopped buying what they don't actually need and EVERYONE refused to pay for the "craigslist and bismanonline" ammo gouging prices, things would start to go back to normal. 

I watched a video that hornady has on their website talking about supply, demand ,and production.  They said that they have added a some new machines and a few workers and are running round the clock producing components. Problem is, they panned the camera around the facility and it looks like a glorified garage. There is no wonder why they can't keep up with demand.  I don't see these large companies investing millions into more production facilities because they probably can't justify keeping them open once supply/demand even themselves out. 


 

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Horsager Said:
 While I haven't been to Canada to see this for myself, I'm told one can buy pretty much any 22LR ammo they want in quantity.  IMO, the "speculators" are the biggest problem with US 22lr availability, shooters preying on our own so to speak.

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I'm not sure why the ammo is in such short supply and have a hard time believing most stories I hear.  We went to Ontario deer hunting this fall, in the process of getting from A to B we stopped at a few places, in 2provinces, and the ammo shells were full.  We also stopped at a few at our location they were full also!  So if there is no shortage there and they carry the same name brand ammo, why is the shortage here? 

I would not trade Canada gun laws even after they "relaxed" them to have a few more 22 lrs on the shelves.

Not saying anyone is suggesting this.

I wonder if there are restrictions on quantity of ammo one can own in Canada?

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Morons. Simple answer.  I used to work with one.  Since Obama became president he turned into a nut case.  The government is going to take all our guns and ammo.  He has been piling it up ever since.  Right after the Sandy Hook tragedy he purchased 4 AR's and tons of extras because the government was going to take them.  I know he is sitting on over 20k rounds of .22LR as well, and that was nearly a year ago. 

It's simply fear fueled by the ever increasing numbers of morons paranoid of us not being able to own a slingshot.....

Deer hunting in Canada this year had a conversation with a couple guys from Churchill one evening.

They thought it would be great to be able to hunt with an AR 15 and carry a pistol around in a holster.

Maybe not so "paranoid".

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Traxion Said:
Morons. Simple answer.  I used to work with one.  Since Obama became president he turned into a nut case.  The government is going to take all our guns and ammo.  He has been piling it up ever since.  Right after the Sandy Hook tragedy he purchased 4 AR's and tons of extras because the government was going to take them.  I know he is sitting on over 20k rounds of .22LR as well, and that was nearly a year ago. 

It's simply fear fueled by the ever increasing numbers of morons paranoid of us not being able to own a slingshot.....

Deer hunting in Canada this year had a conversation with a couple guys from Churchill one evening.

They thought it would be great to be able to hunt with an AR 15 and carry a pistol around in a holster.

Maybe not so "paranoid".

   Bet they would think it was even better if they could do it on a Sunday.   

 

 

 

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Wags86 Said:
 i must be lucky with finding .22 ammo. the few times ive went to a sporting good store this month ive seen it. Bought a 330 round pack yesterday.

Wish i could be as lucky with powder 

I agree with this, components don't seem to be any easier to acquire than ammo,  been looking for TAC powder for over a year.  Luckily I found a couple people that had extra and where willing to sell.  And I didn't get screwed either, price was right on the money!

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 Isell,   What about target ammo ?  I only found one site with Eley tenex but the price of that wasn't all that much higher than it was 20 years ago.  

I have seen that  brand available. It was 15-20$/box of 50.

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I tend to agree, it's the hoarders and speculators that are creating the vast majority of the problems.

Me included. A few yrs ago, I would have very little spare ammo laying around. Didn't need it because whenever I planned a day at the range, I could just stop anywhere and pick up a couple hundred 9 mm rounds. Then I went damn near 14 months without shooting my 9 mm because of ammo scarcity. Really pisses a person off and I wasn't willing to buy from the speculators.

Fast forward to now and my goal is to always have a handful of trips to the range worth of ammo. So I would buy it as I ran across it as well.

On one recent trip down south, I discovered a lot less of an ammo shortage in South Dakota, Iowa, Misery, and Nebraska. In many ways we are our own worst enemy.

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 We're running into the same problem with ammo for our small bore league. Have had ammo on back order since last fall and our supplier has no idea when they will get any more in. Could be an interesting year.

I have a Benjamin which shoots RWS 9.5gr Supermags in one hole at 50yds.  Just sayin'...I don't know your league's standards or COA.  (one hole--bit smaller than an M&M)

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Deermeister Said:
 We're running into the same problem with ammo for our small bore league. Have had ammo on back order since last fall and our supplier has no idea when they will get any more in. Could be an interesting year.

I have a Benjamin which shoots RWS 9.5gr Supermags in one hole at 50yds.  Just sayin'...I don't know your league's standards or COA.  (one hole--bit smaller than an M&M)

which benjamin do you have... that would be a great way to stay sharp... and cheap to shoot...

had a couple uncles who would load up .38 wax loads and shoot in the unfinished basement in the winter (into a trap) to stay sharp... well... when the ladies were gone...

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I tend to agree, it's the hoarders and speculators that are creating the vast majority of the problems.

Me included. A few yrs ago, I would have very little spare ammo laying around. Didn't need it because whenever I planned a day at the range, I could just stop anywhere and pick up a couple hundred 9 mm rounds. Then I went damn near 14 months without shooting my 9 mm because of ammo scarcity. Really pisses a person off and I wasn't willing to buy from the speculators.

Fast forward to now and my goal is to always have a handful of trips to the range worth of ammo. So I would buy it as I ran across it as well.

On one recent trip down south, I discovered a lot less of an ammo shortage in South Dakota, Iowa, Misery, and Nebraska. In many ways we are our own worst enemy.

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I would like to hoard some 22 rounds. Anybody know the proper technique in FM area?



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foamit, I  shoot the wax loads in the 38 spec., kind of fun but be careful they don't splatter they mushroom.  Mine have penetrated over 500 pages of a catalog.  But definitely fun to play around with.

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foamit, I  shoot the wax loads in the 38 spec., kind of fun but be careful they don't splatter they mushroom.  Mine have penetrated over 500 pages of a catalog.  But definitely fun to play around with.

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Are these wax loads under a powder charge or just a primer?

                                                                                                                         

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I would like to hoard some 22 rounds. Anybody know the proper technique in FM area?

Kinda like this

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I just go to runnings and buy some when needed they have them

Our runnings goes in streaks, sometimes a bunch on hand others none to be found.

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foamit, I  shoot the wax loads in the 38 spec., kind of fun but be careful they don't splatter they mushroom.  Mine have penetrated over 500 pages of a catalog.  But definitely fun to play around with.

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 Worm wriggler, they just use a shotgun primer

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Deermeister Said:
 We're running into the same problem with ammo for our small bore league. Have had ammo on back order since last fall and our supplier has no idea when they will get any more in. Could be an interesting year.

I have a Benjamin which shoots RWS 9.5gr Supermags in one hole at 50yds.  Just sayin'...I don't know your league's standards or COA.  (one hole--bit smaller than an M&M)

which benjamin do you have... that would be a great way to stay sharp... and cheap to shoot...

had a couple uncles who would load up .38 wax loads and shoot in the unfinished basement in the winter (into a trap) to stay sharp... well... when the ladies were gone...

It's a pre-Crosman 397 (.177) with a mega-shiiteton of rounds through it.  All wood and brass.  I shot it one HOT day and the bolt locked shut on me.  I also need to correct it's ready to be sent just not done.  The guy at Pyramid estimated 75 bucks to fix it good as new.  The pellets I speak of are available at Cabela's.  BTW/IMHO, I would not recommend a "springer" if you intend to hit anything smaller than a ground squirrel. They're as heavy as a deer rifle, recoil harder than a .22 and require a shooting technique akin to shooting a bow.  I found the aforementioned (heavy) pellets gave me the most accuracy (dime at 25) with my Diana and were amazing in the Benjamin.  Advertised muzzle with eight pump max on the Ben is 800.  I'd estimate a 100fps reduction with the heavy fodder.  She was a sweet little urban set-up when she was running.  I had her outfitted with a Tasco 4X air rifle scope and a nice high leather comb "raiser"(?):  Both of which went on the springer (sold at a yard sale) and later to a bolt ,22. 

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I would like to hoard some 22 rounds. Anybody know the proper technique in FM area?

Kinda like this

Major reality check.  I believed I was the only one who could manage all that.

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I just go to runnings and buy some when needed they have them

Our runnings goes in streaks, sometimes a bunch on hand others none to be found.

Eat more cheese.

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