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.223 for deer hunting

My wife has been putting some rounds through my ar. She is  small framed and 5' 2" tall. She likes the feel of the ar, it fits her well. What ammo should she use?

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62 gr Federal

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50 Vmax

 

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ARs work great for deer.  Saw a guy shoot 3 deer before the first one even tipped over.  He thought he missed, or at least that's what he said.  He's not hunting with us anymore.   All three deer only had one round, but all made it about 100yrds before dying.

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 Never been able to shoot a deer with a .223.  I have brought it out a number a times but never actually pulled the trigger.  It is all about a good shot but why take the chance if you have a .243 she can shoot.  

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Good god people. I could kill a deer with a stick and a honey bee if I tried hard enough. Its a centerfirle rifle and can easily kill a deer. Not sure if he might be looking to get a rise out of some or not, but regardless...

Don't shoot VMax. Get something like the Nosler 60 grain partiions for Deer. 

I shoot 55 grain federal blue box out of my 22-250. I know many on here can vouge for what tack diver it is and has been on deer for me. Oh, and antelope absolutely hate my 22-250 because they don't stand a chance either.

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I'm not really trying to get a rise out of someone, and I personally have not shot deer with 223.  Just saying that eventhough there was good shot placement and these deer did die, they didn't appear to be hit.  I would be careful of shooting at another animal if you trust your rifle and had pulled the trigger already is all.

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I DON'T NEED THE HONEY BEE, JUST THE STICK AND WAK~EM

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bullheadmaster Said:
Good god people. I could kill a deer with a stick and a honey bee if I tried hard enough. Its a centerfirle rifle and can easily kill a deer. Not sure if he might be looking to get a rise out of some or not, but regardless...

Don't shoot VMax. Get something like the Nosler 60 grain partiions for Deer. 

I shoot 55 grain federal blue box out of my 22-250. I know many on here can vouge for what tack diver it is and has been on deer for me. Oh, and antelope absolutely hate my 22-250 because they don't stand a chance either.

Big J

I have also watched many a deer succumb to the 22-250.  Reasonable range and shot placement is key. 

P.S.  I want front row seats to the stick and honey bee challenge.

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TSX in either 55 or 62 possibly even 70 gr depending on the twist of the rifle barrel. I am not a huge fan of the .223 for deer but having seen the results that these bullets provide, they make shooting them equivalent to a .243/6mm in other types of bullets.

If you have an 1-8 twist then the heavier bullets should stabilize out of the AR with a 16" barrel, if you are reloading, otherwise Fed premiums come in the 55gr factory loads. What I found in my .223 is that they shot almost identical to the Rem 50 gr loads in regards to POI little to no difference at 200 yards. However like most people will tell you each rifle is a bit different.

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I'm not really trying to get a rise out of someone, and I personally have not shot deer with 223.  Just saying that eventhough there was good shot placement and these deer did die, they didn't appear to be hit.  I would be careful of shooting at another animal if you trust your rifle and had pulled the trigger already is all.

Sounds like operator error. I wouldn't blame the gun.

Big J

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I like the 65 grain sierra gameking SPBT type bullets out of my 223 for deer. Or anything TSX!

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my wife shoots a tc encore in 22/250

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bullheadmaster Said:

Colonel Angus Said:
I'm not really trying to get a rise out of someone, and I personally have not shot deer with 223.  Just saying that eventhough there was good shot placement and these deer did die, they didn't appear to be hit.  I would be careful of shooting at another animal if you trust your rifle and had pulled the trigger already is all.

Sounds like operator error. I wouldn't blame the gun.

Big J

Big j likes to use varmint bullets for big game.  hahahahaha

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Are there any magazine restrictions in ND when hunting deer with AR-15?

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bullheadmaster Said:

Colonel Angus Said:
I'm not really trying to get a rise out of someone, and I personally have not shot deer with 223.  Just saying that eventhough there was good shot placement and these deer did die, they didn't appear to be hit.  I would be careful of shooting at another animal if you trust your rifle and had pulled the trigger already is all.

Sounds like operator error. I wouldn't blame the gun.

Big J

Big j likes to use varmint bullets for big game.  hahahahaha

Why is that funny?  And also, not truthful.

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 A deer's head is bigger than a prairie dog.  Aim small miss small.  Go for the eyeball.

 

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no. 

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Are there any magazine restrictions in ND when hunting deer with AR-15?

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55 gr TSX, 5 round mag limit in SD, not sure about ND.  My little lady has killed a pile with the AR and 55 gr TSX.  If she shoots it well and keeps shots within a reasonable distance she will have no issues.

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Took one with my .223. Was pretty good size buck that did not want to die. Took 4  shots but it did it.

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 ar rifle, iron sights, 40 round mags

coyotes and deer beware

its an absolute blast

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 oh, and wolf ammo, hollow points that dont open

they kill just fine

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good thread, I've shot quite a few deer with the 22-250, mostly does but my girlfriend may get into some shooting and I have an extra .223 that I might have her shoot next year, this is all good info.

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bullheadmaster Said:

Colonel Angus Said:
I'm not really trying to get a rise out of someone, and I personally have not shot deer with 223.  Just saying that eventhough there was good shot placement and these deer did die, they didn't appear to be hit.  I would be careful of shooting at another animal if you trust your rifle and had pulled the trigger already is all.

Sounds like operator error. I wouldn't blame the gun.

Big J

Indeed an operator error.  Was only offering a few words of wisdom from personal experience for those new to using small calibers.  Maybe others could learn from this operator's error and be sure of the miss before shooting some more.  I'm certainly not blaming the gun, as it worked well.

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 a deer running 100 yards after being hit is not unacceptable caliber/bullet performance

promise if you hit anywhere in the cns w .223 the deer be dropn

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 A deer's head is bigger than a prairie dog.  Aim small miss small.  Go for the eyeball.

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I am going to get a fast twist barreled .22-.250 and shoot 60 grain Nosler partitions.  That will be by coyote and antelope gun

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I have used 62gr power point.  Made a good shot on vitals and deer traveled about 100 yards, stood there, looked at me for about two minutes then fell over.  I have never used a .223 for deer again.

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I have used 62gr power point.  Made a good shot on vitals and deer traveled about 100 yards, stood there, looked at me for about two minutes then fell over.  I have never used a .223 for deer again.

my buddy shot a deer with his .375 rum in the lungs it ran about a 100 yards and stood there and looked at us then fell over dead.  We walked over to it and high fived. 

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 I've shot probably 20 deer with. 52 grain sierra hollow point.  I can shoot a dime size group with my 223, softball with the stupid 300 win mag.  I will take shot placement over ft/lbs any day.  

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I have used 62gr power point.  Made a good shot on vitals and deer traveled about 100 yards, stood there, looked at me for about two minutes then fell over.  I have never used a .223 for deer again.

my buddy shot a deer with his .375 rum in the lungs it ran about a 100 yards and stood there and looked at us then fell over dead.  We walked over to it and high fived. 

I am not saying it was bad.  I am just saying I have never used one again.  I like  the .270 for deer now myself.  This was before I had a real deer rifle as I never used to hunt deer just varmints.

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Deer shot with a 338 lapua will still run. 

 

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 The Jordan buck was shot with a 25-20 in the early 1900s. Level action 92.
I am sure a lot of deer have been shot with a 22.
Had a 223 in nam.  Bullets bounce off more than just deer.
There is a reason for 30 cal bullets. 
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 Small point of interest, how many men do you think a 223 has killed? Deer should be no problem.

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 Small point of interest, how many men do you think a 223 has killed? Deer should be no problem.

You make a valid point but I would argue that a deer is tougher than a man. Still, shot placement is everything. 

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there is no clip size restriction for hunting deer??

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 Maybe not as many as a 30-06, 308 or 7.62.

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Nope, so load up that 100rd magazine and go nutz!

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there is no clip size restriction for hunting deer??
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Nope, so load up that 100rd magazine and go nutz!

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 When I was young there was a five round limit.  M-1 had a 8 round clip so could not use with the 8 round clip. However could use the 94 win which holds more than 5.  Db

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I used to think anything less that a .270win was not enough, but I grew up and hunted in western WA, where the brush is thick and a deer can disappear in less than 5 seconds.  Here in SD, I have used a .243win and seen it go down as quick as my .270win.  I think with the right bullet and reasonable range, a .223 can do the job, but based on my personal experience in the field, I would not do it with any other bullet than the Barnes tsx.  After trying nearly every other design out there in the field, the only bullet I will use for hunting is the tsx.  As to how many people killed in war, who cares!!!  You don't care if you recover the body in war, you are just taking out the opposition, regardless of dead or injured.  In hunting, it matters how far the deer goes because the farther it goes, the less chance of recovery.  Shot placement in hunting is paremount, in battle a hit is a hit.  I will NEVER reccomend a .223 for deer, but if you insist on doing it use a tsx or get something no less than a .243win.  We have a responsibility to the animals we hunt,  It's not a video game, so if you pull the trigger you have a responsibility that the life you take will not be wasted due to your ignorance or laziness to follow up on the shot EVERY TIME!!  If you are not willing to do so, take up golf!!!!

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I think I've just been talked into using my AR for deer hunting this weekend. And to think, I was going to use my AK47. Thanks for the tips fellas!

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I used to think anything less that a .270win was not enough, but I grew up and hunted in western WA, where the brush is thick and a deer can disappear in less than 5 seconds.  Here in SD, I have used a .243win and seen it go down as quick as my .270win.  I think with the right bullet and reasonable range, a .223 can do the job, but based on my personal experience in the field, I would not do it with any other bullet than the Barnes tsx.  After trying nearly every other design out there in the field, the only bullet I will use for hunting is the tsx.  As to how many people killed in war, who cares!!!  You don't care if you recover the body in war, you are just taking out the opposition, regardless of dead or injured.  In hunting, it matters how far the deer goes because the farther it goes, the less chance of recovery.  Shot placement in hunting is paremount, in battle a hit is a hit.  I will NEVER reccomend a .223 for deer, but if you insist on doing it use a tsx or get something no less than a .243win.  We have a responsibility to the animals we hunt,  It's not a video game, so if you pull the trigger you have a responsibility that the life you take will not be wasted due to your ignorance or laziness to follow up on the shot EVERY TIME!!  If you are not willing to do so, take up golf!!!!

I believe the 5.56 was designed to injur combatants more then to kill.  The thinking was that a wounded man would take more men out of the fight by helping the wounded.   

 

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 The real question is can you kill a deer with a Nikon scope and cheap rings/ bases?

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Ski-Dooit Said:
 I've shot probably 20 deer with. 52 grain sierra hollow point.  I can shoot a dime size group with my 223, softball with the stupid 300 win mag.  I will take shot placement over ft/lbs any day.  

I can shot a dime size group with my 223 and a quarter size with my 7mm rem mag 140gr barnes ttsx. My choice for deer is my 7mm but I do agree that a 223 or 22-250 is able to kill deer it is just not my choice. I will take ft/lbs and shot placement combined everytime, I like watching my deer drop on the spot or close to it. agree on everyone's advice barnes, partion or comparable bullets, trigger time and know your limitations she will drop a deer.

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I have personally pencil holed 3 deer with a 7mm.  No sound or sight of a hit, 2 were double lunged and the second through the heart.  They all went about 100 yards running like they were fine.

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It will just bounce off em.

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