209 primers

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arctic warrior
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209 primers

i was looking for some new loads for muzzle loader and is there a difference between 209 primers and 209m primers ?? if so whats the difference some help please.

alaskaman
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Yes there is a difference in the primers. I believe the "M" stands for magnum. Just be sure you follow your recipe components exactly when reloading.

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CCI makes 209 and 209M shotshell primers. The M designation is for magnum and is designed for larger loads such as heavy waterfowl and turkey loads.

I don't know if there are any issues regarding use of these primers in the in-line muzzleloaders.

There are some manufacturers who have begun making 209 primers designed specifically for muzzleloaders. I have a box of regular 209 primers and one box that indicates they are for muzzleloading rifles. I honestly didn't detect any difference in performance between the two.

arctic warrior
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thanks for the help

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The 209 primers developed for muzzleloaders are actually weaker than the regular 209's and 209Ms! Those were developed for muzzleloaders because the regular 209's and magnum 209's were too powerful to ignite black powder substitutes without being a bit erratic. So use the ones designed for muzzeloaders and they supposedly shoot more consistently.
But don't use the muzzy ones for reloading shotshells.

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i use federal and or cci 209 magnum primers with my encore 209x50 with 120grains on Triple Seven... not a single problem... and its rather accurate... 1.5in @ 100yards with powerbelt 295s and tc/ or hornady 300grain sst projectiles...
stable in hot weather and cold...

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considering how volitile blackpowder is let alone its variants (Pyrodex, 777, shockeys, and various pellets)...
i doubt ignition of this stuff matters at all..
unless you @ -40f and using pellets... and even then.. id use a 209M... no way am i paying 5$$ a 100 primers when the same items in a different case are 1.50$ a box.

besides... even if i did i dont want to change my load for the rifle at all... even though i highly doubt it would make ANY difference at all... execpt for my pocketbook.

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yup... the projectiles are evry expensive... but i cant justify limiting myself to ~100yards with a patched round ball.. not too mention the accuracy im getting...your not going to get under 2inches @ 100 yards without using some type of conical projectile...let alone the ballistic efficiency.

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for some odd reason or another... my rifle and my fathers (we both have tc encore 209x50s... stainless and synthetic stocks)
both rifles like 777 ~120 grains... and one of the following:
295 powerbelt copper
295 powerbelt lead
300 tc sst
300 hornady sst
all of these group roughly the same areas.. maybe a little left/right change... but thats under a 1/2 an inch... they all group 1.5-2inches @ 100 yards... my velocities are running around 2100fps... maybe a bit faster... havent run it over a chrono in a while...

havent used Goex, or pyrodex in the rifle... only 777, grainual form... i will never use pellets... cold weather ive seen them have horrible locktime..

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not too mention... your paying about 80$$ a lb of the powder if not more...
call granual powder ~ 24$ a lb. 7000grains=lb give or take a few.

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